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		<title>By: J T</title>
		<link>http://www.steverrobbins.com/blog/2009/06/would-you-wear-jeans-t-shirt-to-business-event-why-or-why-not/#comment-4076</link>
		<dc:creator>J T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... Smart jeans and t-shirt combined with confidence, good posture, smile and eye contact would beat average shirt and formal pants with shyness, darting eyes and unsure posture. That&#039;s fundamental. Ultimately confidence and charisma get more weightage, and can override dress as a filter factor.

Until you open your mouth, and then that matters as much or more.

But, dress matters before you open your mouth, and as a supplement to the overall picture.

That being said, to the extent that dress matters, the following apply:

1. Depends on the people there: some people are OK with jeans and t-shirt, others aren&#039;t. Question is do you do business with, or want business from or want to connect to, the latter category? If not, don&#039;t matter. eg. If my current aim is to raise financing for a tech venture, my target is VC&#039;s/angels or big tech cos. They are all used to dealing with startups from garages and tech (esp new tech) tends to be about being laid back. So then it don&#039;t matter.

Am I a banker trying to meet high net worth individuals to potentially be clients? Then got to go business casual at the least, formal may be good.

2. Also depends on whether the event specified a dress code. If it did, going against is breaking a rule/convention. If not, its unsaid convention or your comfort.

And even there, it matters whether &quot;breaking the rule&quot; is good/bad/neutral for your purpose.

3. Depends on your industry and its conventions.  Tech is often casual. In creative industries, dress is often casual and in fact unconventional.  And so on. eg. In the movie biz, you can see someone in jeans, loud printed t-shirt with a corduroy blazer and cowboy boots and you&#039;d still not blink if he tried to pitch a serious proposal to you.

4. Context matters, and context can often be changed by providing it. That makes a difference. And consider that if you can provide it to the people that matter, the ones that don&#039;t matter their opinion doesn&#039;t matter either.

eg. Where I come from, when someone passes away, after the last rites are done, there is a prayer meeting. Accepted convention is to wear white, full preferred, else at least upper garment. Failing that wear light muted shades and nothing flashy/dressy. But some time ago I attended one for an uncle, and someone came into the prayer meeting wearing jeans and bright green/electric blue shirt - essentially dressed to go to a club. Eyes were raised. Seems bad, eh?

Till you get the new context that when he heard the news the previous night, he immediately headed to the airport and took the first flight out, which was a red-eye, and flew nine hours to get to the family and the prayer meeting in the morning straight form the airport. And that context was given/known to the people who mattered - my uncle&#039;s son and daughter whom he came to give condolence and support to in this tough time. Seems quite different now, right?

Its an extreme example but it illustrates the point perfectly where someone goes from jerk to caring in one switch of context/perspective. Less extreme examples can often be found in business, and to that extent it is important for people to realise that and not feel guilty if they are in such a situation. If they can give context, perhaps slip in a casual reference to it, it will make it acceptable. Feeling confident rather than guilty is more important to the impact you will make than the dress itself.

Hope it helps.

- JT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; Smart jeans and t-shirt combined with confidence, good posture, smile and eye contact would beat average shirt and formal pants with shyness, darting eyes and unsure posture. That&#8217;s fundamental. Ultimately confidence and charisma get more weightage, and can override dress as a filter factor.</p>
<p>Until you open your mouth, and then that matters as much or more.</p>
<p>But, dress matters before you open your mouth, and as a supplement to the overall picture.</p>
<p>That being said, to the extent that dress matters, the following apply:</p>
<p>1. Depends on the people there: some people are OK with jeans and t-shirt, others aren&#8217;t. Question is do you do business with, or want business from or want to connect to, the latter category? If not, don&#8217;t matter. eg. If my current aim is to raise financing for a tech venture, my target is VC&#8217;s/angels or big tech cos. They are all used to dealing with startups from garages and tech (esp new tech) tends to be about being laid back. So then it don&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>Am I a banker trying to meet high net worth individuals to potentially be clients? Then got to go business casual at the least, formal may be good.</p>
<p>2. Also depends on whether the event specified a dress code. If it did, going against is breaking a rule/convention. If not, its unsaid convention or your comfort.</p>
<p>And even there, it matters whether &#8220;breaking the rule&#8221; is good/bad/neutral for your purpose.</p>
<p>3. Depends on your industry and its conventions.  Tech is often casual. In creative industries, dress is often casual and in fact unconventional.  And so on. eg. In the movie biz, you can see someone in jeans, loud printed t-shirt with a corduroy blazer and cowboy boots and you&#8217;d still not blink if he tried to pitch a serious proposal to you.</p>
<p>4. Context matters, and context can often be changed by providing it. That makes a difference. And consider that if you can provide it to the people that matter, the ones that don&#8217;t matter their opinion doesn&#8217;t matter either.</p>
<p>eg. Where I come from, when someone passes away, after the last rites are done, there is a prayer meeting. Accepted convention is to wear white, full preferred, else at least upper garment. Failing that wear light muted shades and nothing flashy/dressy. But some time ago I attended one for an uncle, and someone came into the prayer meeting wearing jeans and bright green/electric blue shirt &#8211; essentially dressed to go to a club. Eyes were raised. Seems bad, eh?</p>
<p>Till you get the new context that when he heard the news the previous night, he immediately headed to the airport and took the first flight out, which was a red-eye, and flew nine hours to get to the family and the prayer meeting in the morning straight form the airport. And that context was given/known to the people who mattered &#8211; my uncle&#8217;s son and daughter whom he came to give condolence and support to in this tough time. Seems quite different now, right?</p>
<p>Its an extreme example but it illustrates the point perfectly where someone goes from jerk to caring in one switch of context/perspective. Less extreme examples can often be found in business, and to that extent it is important for people to realise that and not feel guilty if they are in such a situation. If they can give context, perhaps slip in a casual reference to it, it will make it acceptable. Feeling confident rather than guilty is more important to the impact you will make than the dress itself.</p>
<p>Hope it helps.</p>
<p>- JT</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.steverrobbins.com/blog/2009/06/would-you-wear-jeans-t-shirt-to-business-event-why-or-why-not/#comment-4071</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to think about this. I tend to wear business clothes to business events because my mind works that way, in categories. But I&#039;ve seen attendees in both business clothes and more casual clothes, and I&#039;ve never assumed one was taking it more seriously than the other.  In fact, I usually assumed it was based on the kind of work atmosphere they have or where they are going before/after.

What REALLY affects my impression of someone, though, are things like posture, speaking tone, or something about the comfort level they seem to have with themselves. If dress affects that for you, then it matters. For example, I think wearing heels makes me walk slower and more gracefully, and stand up straighter. Nicer clothes prompt me to have better posture. That might not be true for everyone (and no, I&#039;m not recommending heels for you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to think about this. I tend to wear business clothes to business events because my mind works that way, in categories. But I&#8217;ve seen attendees in both business clothes and more casual clothes, and I&#8217;ve never assumed one was taking it more seriously than the other.  In fact, I usually assumed it was based on the kind of work atmosphere they have or where they are going before/after.</p>
<p>What REALLY affects my impression of someone, though, are things like posture, speaking tone, or something about the comfort level they seem to have with themselves. If dress affects that for you, then it matters. For example, I think wearing heels makes me walk slower and more gracefully, and stand up straighter. Nicer clothes prompt me to have better posture. That might not be true for everyone (and no, I&#8217;m not recommending heels for you).</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Yeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Yeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than worrying about whether or not to dress up, you should develop a signature look and stick with it.

Consistent branding will deliver the greatest long-term benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than worrying about whether or not to dress up, you should develop a signature look and stick with it.</p>
<p>Consistent branding will deliver the greatest long-term benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never know when I&#039;m going to meet someone who could have a great positive future impact on my career, so I dress nicely, for no other reason than it tells that person they are worth my getting dressed up a little for.  Just like a neat, readable resume says &quot;I care.&quot;  I don&#039;t think there is any correlation between neat resumes and good workers - just neat resumes good manners, which is sometimes 90% of the equation when networking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never know when I&#8217;m going to meet someone who could have a great positive future impact on my career, so I dress nicely, for no other reason than it tells that person they are worth my getting dressed up a little for.  Just like a neat, readable resume says &#8220;I care.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think there is any correlation between neat resumes and good workers &#8211; just neat resumes good manners, which is sometimes 90% of the equation when networking!</p>
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		<title>By: Juanita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juanita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how you might make the jeans and t-shirt stand out in such a way that it complements your message, or even reinforces it?

Thinking of clothing as a costume, rather than de rigeur &quot;business uniform&quot; for your public speaking gigs may open up possibilities for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how you might make the jeans and t-shirt stand out in such a way that it complements your message, or even reinforces it?</p>
<p>Thinking of clothing as a costume, rather than de rigeur &#8220;business uniform&#8221; for your public speaking gigs may open up possibilities for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theresa: I, too, like to have respect. My hypothesis is that currently, I&#039;m not commanding any more respect wearing &quot;suitable&quot; clothes than I would be wearing casual clothes. Our current cultural myth is that business clothes and respect are linked. I want to check that out. Maybe it&#039;s true. But maybe it isn&#039;t.

In 17 years of attending this group in a suit or slacks &amp; jacket, I&#039;ve never had anyone do business with me. So if people DO respect me (and I suspect they do), it&#039;s not translating into anything tangible.

Since this *is* about business, if it isn&#039;t leading to bottom-line results for me, simply being respected in the abstract isn&#039;t a very interesting outcome.

My podcast started as a creative outlet where I could drop my business persona and be myself. It&#039;s up to 70,000+ listeners every week. My business podcast, featuring me being businesslike, had made it to a whopping 500 regular listeners.  That data point suggests that for me (maybe not for everyone), the traditional business persona isn&#039;t the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theresa: I, too, like to have respect. My hypothesis is that currently, I&#8217;m not commanding any more respect wearing &#8220;suitable&#8221; clothes than I would be wearing casual clothes. Our current cultural myth is that business clothes and respect are linked. I want to check that out. Maybe it&#8217;s true. But maybe it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In 17 years of attending this group in a suit or slacks &amp; jacket, I&#8217;ve never had anyone do business with me. So if people DO respect me (and I suspect they do), it&#8217;s not translating into anything tangible.</p>
<p>Since this *is* about business, if it isn&#8217;t leading to bottom-line results for me, simply being respected in the abstract isn&#8217;t a very interesting outcome.</p>
<p>My podcast started as a creative outlet where I could drop my business persona and be myself. It&#8217;s up to 70,000+ listeners every week. My business podcast, featuring me being businesslike, had made it to a whopping 500 regular listeners.  That data point suggests that for me (maybe not for everyone), the traditional business persona isn&#8217;t the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason for not wearing a T-shirt is the same reason I choose not to display my name with a lower-cased first letter when I type in a public forum- I want to command respect.  Wearing a T-shirt will equate me to Hank Hill or a college student.  Because I am not a propane dealer and it&#039;s been years since I&#039;ve had to write a 7-page term paper, I choose alternatives.  The alternatives can still be casual: polo shirt, untucked button down, etc.  Make sure that you are wearing nice (not ragged) shoes and you will be fine.

As far as the pants and the accessories, jeans may be fine depending on your audience and geographical location.  For example, I live in Austin, TX, and if I went to a business presentation, (as long as I am not the presenter or in a room full of lawyers or accountants) it would be fine to where jeans; to make it look like I was a polished adult, I would wear heels, a coordinating bag, bring a nice notebook, and a sophisticated pen.

You can skip the heels, Stever (although, there may be an audience for that, too!) and just do a good judgement call.

BTW, Thanks for asking for input; I feel honored to school a person who usually schools me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for not wearing a T-shirt is the same reason I choose not to display my name with a lower-cased first letter when I type in a public forum- I want to command respect.  Wearing a T-shirt will equate me to Hank Hill or a college student.  Because I am not a propane dealer and it&#8217;s been years since I&#8217;ve had to write a 7-page term paper, I choose alternatives.  The alternatives can still be casual: polo shirt, untucked button down, etc.  Make sure that you are wearing nice (not ragged) shoes and you will be fine.</p>
<p>As far as the pants and the accessories, jeans may be fine depending on your audience and geographical location.  For example, I live in Austin, TX, and if I went to a business presentation, (as long as I am not the presenter or in a room full of lawyers or accountants) it would be fine to where jeans; to make it look like I was a polished adult, I would wear heels, a coordinating bag, bring a nice notebook, and a sophisticated pen.</p>
<p>You can skip the heels, Stever (although, there may be an audience for that, too!) and just do a good judgement call.</p>
<p>BTW, Thanks for asking for input; I feel honored to school a person who usually schools me.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest you are scared because none of us likes to be ridiculed or outcast or even whispered about.  As humans there is such a strong desire to &quot;fit it.&quot;  Even among so called non-conformers such as punk or goth types, they &#039;fit in&#039; to their group.

Sometimes under or over dressing can be rude given the setting or purpose of the event.. like a wedding or funeral.

However, I think so long as you are not doing it to be disrespectful, there is no reason not to dress as you wish.  Also, it is a good exercise to overcome your fear of standing out from the crowd and risking the ridicule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest you are scared because none of us likes to be ridiculed or outcast or even whispered about.  As humans there is such a strong desire to &#8220;fit it.&#8221;  Even among so called non-conformers such as punk or goth types, they &#8216;fit in&#8217; to their group.</p>
<p>Sometimes under or over dressing can be rude given the setting or purpose of the event.. like a wedding or funeral.</p>
<p>However, I think so long as you are not doing it to be disrespectful, there is no reason not to dress as you wish.  Also, it is a good exercise to overcome your fear of standing out from the crowd and risking the ridicule.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t do it, but that is because dressing up for such an event makes me feel better about me and gives me more confidence. So, if you are comfortable with it I would go for it. You may even find that some people think you are more successful because you did go casual.

I could probably do jeans, a collared shirt, and good shoes, but the tshirt would throw me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t do it, but that is because dressing up for such an event makes me feel better about me and gives me more confidence. So, if you are comfortable with it I would go for it. You may even find that some people think you are more successful because you did go casual.</p>
<p>I could probably do jeans, a collared shirt, and good shoes, but the tshirt would throw me off.</p>
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		<title>By: BostonKayakGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BostonKayakGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Sheilia.

You can wear jeans &amp; VERY NICE t-shirt if you dress it up with nice shoes, or blazer...whatever.

But this is BOSTON and you always have to dress in a manner appropriate to the culture.

When I&#039;m in Arizona I can dress very casually for a business event because it&#039;s the accepted mode of dress. And I have to say I love not having to dress up.

Where you are matters, as does who you&#039;ll be with.  If these are finance people et al then they&#039;ll be in suits so that&#039;s the culture at the event, but if it&#039;s an event with lots of creative types then the dress will be more urban style.

If you&#039;re looking to make contacts, network etc. dress for the place, event, and other attendees.

If you&#039;re the star, filthy rich, or really hot then you can wear anything you like.

Clean, pressed &amp; whatever is a good mantra.  But lose the sneakers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Sheilia.</p>
<p>You can wear jeans &amp; VERY NICE t-shirt if you dress it up with nice shoes, or blazer&#8230;whatever.</p>
<p>But this is BOSTON and you always have to dress in a manner appropriate to the culture.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m in Arizona I can dress very casually for a business event because it&#8217;s the accepted mode of dress. And I have to say I love not having to dress up.</p>
<p>Where you are matters, as does who you&#8217;ll be with.  If these are finance people et al then they&#8217;ll be in suits so that&#8217;s the culture at the event, but if it&#8217;s an event with lots of creative types then the dress will be more urban style.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking to make contacts, network etc. dress for the place, event, and other attendees.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re the star, filthy rich, or really hot then you can wear anything you like.</p>
<p>Clean, pressed &amp; whatever is a good mantra.  But lose the sneakers&#8230;</p>
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